Notre Dame appears to be caught in a debate between Catholic true believers and secular progressive true believers. Neither side can give in without compromising its ideology. In courses where clear FACTS are being taught, ideology could be kept out of the process, but in courses where the subject is based on opinion and "fuzzy" science, such as the social sciences, or artistic interpretation, the instruction will always reflect the opinions of the Professor. It was that way at ND in the late 50s and is, I am sure, the same today. The question then becomes, what has been the impact of the secularization of the faculty over the last 4 or 5 decades. In another email I suggested that the attitude study by the Class of 57 be expanded to include all classes since 57 to assess the impact on the output of the University over time. While other societal changes will have had some degree of impact, it may be possible to demonstrate just how far ND has strayed from its Catholic nature. I still believe this should be done and used as a means of giving some reality to the discussion. It is not what we think has happened that really matters, it is what did happen and what trend has been established. I see many changes in the student attitudes demonstrated in our Alumni Association. Are they good or bad?